more than watched mccain and obama four years ago irks as storied as that race seem to be and the number of people who watched the republican convention and watched him give his speech was around 20 million something. gwen: way more than were able to watch the president the day polling the debate when he seemed to get his voice back on the stump and democrats watching said who's that guy? >> his line was who was mitt romney last night. i don't recognize that mitt romney. but they also didn't recognize that barack obama. >> mitt romney had to be aggressive with the president and also had to remain likable. ben is, in -- again, in looking at those polls -- gwen: a temperament issue. >> and they're in conflict. because when you're aggressive you may not be that attractive. and that was something the president was worried about. so in these insta polls, the cbs one, romney's numbers do you care about a person like me was 40 -- 30 before the debate. after the debate it was in the 60's. so he made up ground with undecided voters on this key question of do you care about me? there is this pool